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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#3E3E3E'>Timothy Uruski wrote<i> “</i></span><i>I think the
perception of Go being complicated also comes from people's familiarity with
Fuse</i><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#3E3E3E'>” </span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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every developer who used Fuse, are trying/ will try make his own <b>go-fuse</b>
version.because I think we got used to it. And actually, I wonder that where
is current active Go users’ custom tweener classes. I think we need more samples.
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
color:#3E3E3E'>Angela, I am in same stuation with you. I have little experiance
with go, but we want it, we love it and yes</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:#3E3E3E'>J</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#3E3E3E'> we are fun of it. So your
ides is great Moses. Wee need like that stuff. And according to me, Go is
complicated, when I think on it, it seems that “you have to consantrate it
and you have to write your own custom tweener, if you dont do that you can not
use GO”. And that thought makes me feel stressed, makes think that there
are lots of things to do/achive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#3E3E3E'>But, of course we have to consantrate on it yes </span><span
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so, your effort about helping us with some video or presentation material would
be very very useful and would be great shurtcuts for us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#3E3E3E'>Regards, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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golist-bounces@goasap.org [mailto:golist-bounces@goasap.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Timothy
Uruski<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> golist@goasap.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Golist] Go: Scary-complicated?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Moses,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>I think the perception of Go
being complicated also comes from people's familiarity with Fuse. Fuse was easy
to use, but went pretty deep by comparison, which could be throwing people. The
idea of building Fuse with Go sounds daunting, and there could be a sense that
you are required to roll all that functionality yourself, even though it might
not be required for the code you're writing. People hate losing options, even
when it costs them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Also, it's possible that people
are confused by the methodology change. Instead of controlling everything
through the Fuse class, you create individual tween objects, which <i>seems</i> more
complex.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Tim<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On 4-Mar-08, at 1:00 PM, <a
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1. Go: Scary-complicated? (Moses Gunesch)<br>
2. Re: Go: Scary-complicated? (Angela Ferraiolo)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:56:48 -0500<br>
From: Moses Gunesch <moses@goasap.org><br>
Subject: [Golist] Go: Scary-complicated?<br>
To: Mailing list for the Go ActionScript Animation Platform<br>
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Hi everyone,<br>
<br>
So now that the new site is live, let's assess how I did for making Go <br>
approachable.<br>
Go is actually very simple once you understand it, but before that it <br>
intimidates people and seems really complicated.<br>
<br>
So:<br>
Are the goals of Go still confusing?<br>
Is the presentation of Go confusing?<br>
Is it intimidating, say if you had first seen it at the new site
http://www.goasap.org/ <br>
?<br>
Is it clear yet that very little is required for the compatibility <br>
layer ? just GoEngine, GoEvent, and PlayableBase/IPlayable ? and that <br>
everything else is entirely optional?<br>
Is it obvious yet that it's very easy to build a tween over LinearGo <br>
in 3 easy steps or does that still feel like everest?<br>
<br>
<br>
Here's one idea I had ? a swf slideshow with a "next" nav button,
that <br>
would walk you through step by step how Go is structured. Because each <br>
bit of it is extremely logical and is there for a reason... for <br>
example, GoItem is there as an abstract base class for any animation <br>
type, not just tweens, and PlayableBase sits at the very core because <br>
some things that you can play, are not animations at all, like a <br>
Sequence. I want that structure to be really clearly presented but I'm <br>
worried that the Architecture page does not show this simply enough....<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
Moses <br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:22:47 -0500<br>
From: "Angela Ferraiolo" <aferraiolo@gmail.com><br>
Subject: Re: [Golist] Go: Scary-complicated?<br>
To: "Mailing list for the Go ActionScript Animation Platform"<br>
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Hello Moses & the list,<br>
<br>
Thanks for Go! A .swf walkthough would be awesome!<br>
<br>
It is not that your site is confusing so much as there is<br>
a lot of new stuff to learn right now on all sides. Anything<br>
you can do to help speed the process would be greatly<br>
wonderful and go-tatstic.<br>
<br>
Right now Go is still in my "to do" list! But I am a fan.<br>
<br>
Thank you again,<br>
<br>
-- Angela<br>
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On 3/4/08, Moses Gunesch <moses@goasap.org> wrote:<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>So now that the new site is live,
let's assess how I did for making Go<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>approachable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Go is actually very simple once
you understand it, but before that it<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>intimidates people and seems
really complicated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>So:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Are the goals of Go still
confusing?<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Is the presentation of Go
confusing?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Is it intimidating, say if you
had first seen it at the new site http://www.goasap.org/<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'> ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Is it clear yet that very little
is required for the compatibility<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>layer ? just GoEngine, GoEvent,
and PlayableBase/IPlayable ? and that<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>everything else is entirely
optional?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Is it obvious yet that it's very
easy to build a tween over LinearGo<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>in 3 easy steps or does that
still feel like everest?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Here's one idea I had ? a swf
slideshow with a "next" nav button, that<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>would walk you through step by
step how Go is structured. Because each<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>bit of it is extremely logical
and is there for a reason... for<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>example, GoItem is there as an
abstract base class for any animation<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>type, not just tweens, and
PlayableBase sits at the very core because<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>some things that you can play,
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Sequence. I want that structure
to be really clearly presented but I'm<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>worried that the Architecture
page does not show this simply enough....<o:p></o:p></p>
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