<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I want Go to be successful.</div><div><br></div><div>For brevity I'm just gonna jump into what I think:</div><div><br></div><div>The first paragraph feels like a pitch, and I don't want to read that. If someone is going to invest the time to spend on Go, they </div><div><br></div><div>1. Know what they are looking for and familiar with the common problems.</div><div>2. Already invest time into other open source projects (as well as their own) and want to know how Go makes things better- easier- faster.</div><div><br></div><div>I would start off with a simple 3-4 sentence intro about how you made fuse, saw the short comings of it's and other animation engines and wanted to change it. Make it personal, less like 'some voice-over' from a du-pont commercial. I don't know/care about fuse (im pure as3) but I do know a lot of people use it-adding your face to the project adds weight to it.</div><div><br></div><div>"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(32, 24, 20); font-family: Garamond; font-size: 14px; ">At its heart is a <b>centralized pulse engine</b> – all animation ....and entirely optional for the end-user.</span></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(32, 24, 20); font-family: Garamond; font-size: 14px; "><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "> </p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; ">Next, Go offers the most common.....<b> compatibility layer</b> that diverse systems can share, instead of reinventing them.</div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "> </p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; ">Finally, the.....extend these or create base classes and utilities of your own."</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">To me, these paragraphs say the most interesting stuff, but it's way at the bottom. Tell me simply what the engine is and how it can be implemented.</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">For example I've been on this list for a while and I have been trying to squeeze in time to go back and revisit the tutorials and code-but in all honesty, I'm not really sure why I would use this. Until, that recent post about integrating it with PV3D. That's some interesting stuff.</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">Perhaps you could take some time and think up 10 scenarios where one would choose to use Go because other animation engines wouldn't be as useful. This papervision example being one. Make them varied as possible. Show the versatility!</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">Also, start having a library of short .swfs that people can scroll through and just see examples of Go being used. Make me think - wow I want to do that! One guy who does this great is mr.doob.</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><a href="http://mrdoob.com/blog/">http://mrdoob.com/blog/</a></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">You zip through stuff and think, wow that;s neato. In fact, this is how I got into PV3D, was by seeing his stuff. Nothing uber fancy-it can be that red square you used in the 2nd tutorial but what I saw at the end perked my interest. Unfortunately- it took till the end of the video to see it. Then I thought " doh! maybe I shouldn't have been half distracted while he talked".</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">I would describe my self as being as just crossing to being an advanced coder. I build my own pet animation projects and manager classes, but I still don't see the possibilities of Go. The most interesting part of the 2nd tutorial was when you demonstrated modulation of what you had built. THEN light bulbs went off in my head and I thought, </span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">"hmm yeah, if he did that then I bet I can change / add things to do this and this...".</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">Lastly, I would LOVE some kind of UML and or class diagrams. Some thing visual so I can see how different parts of the engine relate to another.</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">Also, to help someone like me get into it, i'd like to see some *real* loose templates - again as varied as possible to show possibilities. They can be simple and skeleton- like an interface or even just a simple UML of some methods. I can build upon it and edit and whatnot, but perhaps it would be one just a baby step more then what is given on the site. This would help me wet my appetite THEN I go deeper into the framework and write / rewrite things.</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">The idea is to show possibilities, show us the way Moses! </span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">LET YOUR PEOPLE GO!</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">Alan</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></font></div></span><div><div>On Apr 16, 2008, at 2:18 PM, Moses Gunesch wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite">the code looks like, and why you'd want to adopt it.<br><br>So it's more straightforward. Less glossy. Shows code samples. <br>Explains the value proposition.<br><br>What do you think?<br>dfddf</blockquote></div></body></html>